Vaccine links

[greenasgrass]

Was looking at this and found it useful - I know most people that are pro-deadly toxin don't care to see this information, but I find it valuable.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Activities/vaers.html

Approximately 30,000 VAERS reports are filed annually, with 10-15% classified as serious (resulting in permanent disability, hospitalization, life-threatening illnesses or death).

[z2akids]

Originally Posted by greenasgrass Was looking at this and found it useful - I know most people that are pro-deadly toxin don't care to see this information, but I find it valuable. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Activities/vaers.html

I don't have a problem with the information in the link you provided. However, it is not the full story. Just because something is reported to VAERS does not mean that the event was caused by a vaccine -- or even that it happened at all. I could go on that website right now and claim that my child had an MMR vaccine and contracted Anthrax as a result. Very few reports are followed up on and there is little to confirm whether a report is actually related to the vaccine.

Keep in mind that when a child has a vaccine and then has XYZ happen in the next couple of days, there are any number of other things that that child likely did in that same timeframe -- they probably road in a car, drank milk or other substance, wore clothes, etc. All a report (assuming it isn't an entirely false report) does is establish a correlation in time between an event and a vaccine.

If you continued to quote from the link you provided, this is from the same page:

When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. VAERS receives reports on all potential associations between vaccines and adverse events. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that vaccine caused the event.

[joyful mother]

Originally Posted by gaia06 most of the links in the original thread are no longer active (except the most recent ones)...I think its time that a new thread was started so that you don't have to spend time sifting through bad links...there's also new information that has come out since the original thread was started and I feel like old information is bad information if you don't know the rest of the story.

But just posting the new info is still only showing one side. Both sides need to be shown.

Originally Posted by Celeste Sorry, I just don't see why he shouldn't make money from it. He's a professional with many degrees, spent 25 years developing the rotavirus vax. Would you work for free? Especially after years of schooling? Of course he makes money, it's his job. I don't see how it discredits him, in the least.

Agreed! A man shouldn't be discredited just because he makes money from something. For a man to spend years of his life developing something he is gonna have to really believe in it. It's hard to not encourage people to see your side when you feel that strongly about something.

Whenever I research something I remember that their "facts" come from their viewpoint, from their beliefs.

Originally Posted by z2akids I don't have a problem with the information in the link you provided. However, it is not the full story. Just because something is reported to VAERS does not mean that the event was caused by a vaccine -- or even that it happened at all. I could go on that website right now and claim that my child had an MMR vaccine and contracted Anthrax as a result. Very few reports are followed up on and there is little to confirm whether a report is actually related to the vaccine. Keep in mind that when a child has a vaccine and then has XYZ happen in the next couple of days, there are any number of other things that that child likely did in that same timeframe -- they probably road in a car, drank milk or other substance, wore clothes, etc. All a report (assuming it isn't an entirely false report) does is establish a correlation in time between an event and a vaccine. If you continued to quote from the link you provided, this is from the same page: When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. VAERS receives reports on all potential associations between vaccines and adverse events. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that vaccine caused the event.

Fear should never be a deciding factor, on the other hand when I'm scared of something or have a weird feeling about something I usually do more research to see the if there is a link or not. I never just discount "coincidences" cause someone else hasn't scientifically documented it yet.

[joyful mother]

Here are a list of links that were just added to the other thread in January. It is always helpful if the OP is willing to add the new links to their original post so all the info is in one place without people having to dig thru the whole thread. It's also helpful if they are deleted if it is brought to your attention that a link no longer works. These are just things I've seen some people do over the years and it has been most helpful.

Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System Database:
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php

List of All Vaccine Ingredients and Safety Analyses:
http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/

Vaccine Package Inserts:
http://www.immunize.org/packageinserts/
Tripedia insert (ommitted from previous link. lists SIDS and autism as potential adverse reactions.) http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../UCM101580.pdf

Brain Blood Barrier and MSG:
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/obesityepidemic.html

Formaldehyde and the Blood Brain Barrier:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3779084

Vaccines and neurological issues, including autism:
"In acknowledging Hannah's injuries, the government said vaccines aggravated an unknown mitochondrial disorder Hannah had which didn't "cause" her autism, but "resulted" in it. It's unknown how many other children have similar undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder."http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20015982-10391695.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9756729

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...#reference-sec
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21350943

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15764492

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22015705

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22015977

Vitamin C Treatment of Whooping Cough:
vaccinationcouncil.org/media/The-Vitamin-C-Treatment-of-Whooping-Cough.pdf

Mumps Protective Effect Against Ovarian Cancer:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2951028/

Chicken Pox Vaccine Tied to Increase in Shingles:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/10/prweb83848.htm

Prevnar Vaccine Linked to Superbugs:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20825107/#.UHSQ1RXA9v8

Hib Vaccine & Type 1 Diabetes:
http://www.bmj.com//content/319/7217/1133.1

Vaccine Laws & Exemptions By State:
http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

Advisers on Vaccines Often Have Conflicts:
“A new report finds that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did a poor job of screening medical experts for financial conflicts when it hired them to advise the agency on vaccine safety, officials said Thursday.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/he...=4&ref=health&

[Nemmzie]

TYVM for posting. I don't know why people have a problem with a pro vaccine thread when an anti vaccine thread already exists and is stickied.

[tiffanycreuz]

Plain and simple: vaccines=poison and sickness and no vaccines=health and strong immune system. Don't vaccinate yourself, your children, or your pets...they're all bad!

[sprior]

I have never understood the idea of a "debate" or "another side" to an issue like this one where there is scientific consensus that vaccines are safe and effective

[Mama2fluffybutt]

Originally Posted by sprior I have never understood the idea of a "debate" or "another side" to an issue like this one where there is scientific consensus that vaccines are safe and effective

There is actually no scientific consensus that proves vaccines to be safe or effective. As a matter of fact there is zero scientific research available that has tested the safety of the vaccine schedule in its entirety. There is a study here or there done on either a single vaccine or a single ingredient in a vaccine, but no study involving every vaccine given to a child from birth to adult or from birth to grade school for that matter. So it isn't quite as black and white as to say vaccines are safe and effective. Not to mention that as far as effectiveness; no vax is 100% guaranteed to protect against the disease it's being administered for. I appreciate both view points on the topic and don't judge parents either way on their CHOICE of whether or not they vax, but it is very important to educate yourself with all available resources and make your decision only after you've have an educated opinion.

[amsorenson]

US Rep.'s have asked the CDC to be investigated because of their cover up in a vaccine study. This usually doesnt make major headlines unfortunately. Some doctors to look up regarding vaccines. They will be criticized or false allegations made if they are against vaccines, plain and simple. But trust me there are regular doctors that question the safety of vaccines but are afraid to speak up.
Dr. tetyana obukhanych Immunologist
Judy mikovits molecular biologist
Dr. Boyd Haley chemist
Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD Internal medicine
Harris L. Coulter, Ph.D.

[gimmejellybeans]

Just a thought, but perhaps keep this thread just for links for people to make up their own minds? And create a separate thread where people can sling mud back and forth while the debate it till their blue in the face?
Because the vax or no vax debate can get VERY ugly, and if you're trying to provide information, just provide it without opinions throwing people around.
(I, for one, am pro-vaccines.)