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Old 06-28-2013, 02:57 PM   #21
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Update! I've been so busy taking care of the kids and my husband who injured himself working that I haven't had much time to get online. Yesterday my daughter had her 10 month checkup and her weight percentile dropped again She went from about the 50th percentile down to the 34th. I met with her actual doctor this time and she seemed less concerned since the baby is very active and developing skills well. She's very hyper and crawls and cruises around non stop. She's also been working on standing up in the middle of the room but she hasn't quite mastered this yet. She can also hand feed herself and drink from a sippy cup with no problem. It's just her weight gain and refusal to nap that concern me.

The doctor told me that she sees this in breastfed babies around this age who still nurse frequently. She said its like snacking all the time and that when it comes time to eat her meals she's full. She encouraged me to feed her more solids and try to space our nursing sessions out, but to also make sure the baby is free of distractions and nurses fully.

On one hand this makes sense to me, but on the other it doesn't because it seems the more I give her solids the more her weight gain slows. She likes to eat, but she never eats very much. She'll have about a half cup of Cheerios (actually less because of what she feeds the floor) or about 1/4c of oatmeal for breakfast and fruit, veggies &/or meat for supper. She also has puffs about once a day but its never very much.

The doctor want me to give her three solid meals a day now and nurse in between. They didn't tell me how much food to give or if I should offer a drink though. The doctor also said that some babies self wean at this age, but this doesn't work for me. My DD is allergic to milk & soy and I feel that it would be best if she breastfed until at least 2. Plus she shows no sign of not wanting to nurse at night. She nurses to bed. Then once in the middle of the night and again when she wakes up. Also lately she refuses to be held by anyone else when she wants to nurse. She paws at my shirt or crawls over and tugs on my leg or skirt until I pick her up and then she tries to get her booby so she has no trouble asking to nurse.

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Old 06-28-2013, 03:05 PM   #22
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Well your doctor doesn't know much about breastfeeding. Babies do not self wean at this age, they may become distractable or nursing strike (kellymom.com has good info) but they are not weaning. As for more solids there are very few solids that have the amount if calories and healthy fats that breast milk do. You can maybe look at what you are feeding her, so instead of empty carbs like Cheerios or oatmeal try avocado, eggs, olive or coconut oil, nut butters etc. Also her weight could just be slowing down because her activity level is going up.
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My daughter didn't eat an actual meal of solids until 10 months. Breakfast.

She was willing to snack, but didn't add on two more solid meals until 13 months. I see no reason to force solids. When she was hungry, she pushed away the solids and asked for her milk.

A lot of babies do get distracted from nursing at this age, giving the impression of self weaning. But nurse in a quiet dark environment for a bit and you can prolly keep going.
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Well your doctor doesn't know much about breastfeeding. Babies do not self wean at this age, they may become distractable or nursing strike (kellymom.com has good info) but they are not weaning. As for more solids there are very few solids that have the amount if calories and healthy fats that breast milk do. You can maybe look at what you are feeding her, so instead of empty carbs like Cheerios or oatmeal try avocado, eggs, olive or coconut oil, nut butters etc. Also her weight could just be slowing down because her activity level is going up.
I have been feeding her avocado. She gobbles it right up. She'll eat about a quarter of an avocado as meal with maybe six grapes chopped up. I haven't tried coconut oil or nut butters yet. I've been wanting to make make some sunbutter. Maybe she would like that. I was a little scared because of her other food allergies, but I eat them all the time so its probably fine. Do you just spoon feed them or put them on something? We tried egg yolk the other day and she vomited, but I was going to try again because she wasn't wheezy at all and maybe her gerd was just acting up.

I wonder if my insurance would pay for us to see a lactation specialist at the hospital. I have Medicaid. The doctors office has an LC and she's nice and I really like her as a nurse, but her advice so far in terms of the baby's weight gain has been crummy. She keeps telling me to feed her more foods like yogurt or soy formula and that some babies just wean early because one of her daughters weaned at 10 months. I keep reminding her that my baby is allergic to milk and soy ( & I mean allergic with vomiting, rashes, breathing issues etc.), but she keeps forgetting. Ugh
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My daughter didn't eat an actual meal of solids until 10 months. Breakfast.

She was willing to snack, but didn't add on two more solid meals until 13 months. I see no reason to force solids. When she was hungry, she pushed away the solids and asked for her milk.

A lot of babies do get distracted from nursing at this age, giving the impression of self weaning. But nurse in a quiet dark environment for a bit and you can prolly keep going.
Yeah I've been taking her into my room to nurse and we try to stay home as much as possible. When I'm out I can usually stop at my parents house to feed her if I can't make it home. My parents let me use their room to feed her. I used to be able to feed her anywhere as long as I had the boppy ( she would refuse to eat or eat for long without it). Now I have to take her in the other room and it keep the lights off. We've been nursing laying down a lot lately. I couldn't quite get the hang of it when she was smaller, but now we've got it. She really likes to snuggle up with me and have her "num num" time and sometimes she'll even roll over and doze off. Although if I try to move her to her crib she's wide awake, but that's a whole other issue lol.
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No solids today yet, but she's been a little grumpy and not wanting to nurse until I'm empty. Maybe I over did it on the fenugreek. Although she also had shots the other day and a low grade fever this afternoon so she's probably just not feeling her best. She's hasn't pooped in two days either so that could be making her less hungry. I'm going to do a suppository on her and give her a little pear juice and hopefully she goes soon. I'm ridiculously full now so I'm going to have to pump when she's done eating. I hate pumping, but I know that I need to. My body just doesn't respond well to the pump and it can take up to an hour.
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Re: Supply Issues? Baby's not gaining well:(

I may be the odd one out but I like your doctors advice. And I think he/she sounds very breastfeeding friendly, but down to earth and reasonable too. Clearly what you've been doing isn't working and he/she is helping problem solve. I appreciate that much more in a HCP than someone who keep sweeping it under the rug when you as mom are worried!

I too struggle with supply and recently found out I have mild IGT and I have had EBF successes and EBF challenges and I am trying to work out what made the difference - what worked and what didn't since I am expecting another. I am slowly finding some answers!

With my first three kids, I was more traditional. I did nurse on demand, but I didn't let them snack all day. And by 9 months they were eating 3 meals a day with nursing upon waking, before naps, and before bed. They grew fine and continued to nurse for another 5-9 months until weaned, slowing giving up a feeding as time went on.

With #4 I was way more into alternative stuff and I let DS nurse whenever he wanted day or night, and delayed solids till 6 months and they played a minimal role his first year. The result? A baby that dropped from the 50th percentile at birth to the 5th by age one. Clearly the breast was not enough to sustain him! And yes, he was meeting all his milestones and looked healthy BUT he wasn't happy, he was fussy and he was not gaining weight. In hind sight I wish someone had knocked me on the head and said, "Give that child more food for crying out loud!"

I think its ok to begin the weaning process at 9 months and that is natural time to start since babies start being more mobile and less interested in lots of nursing. In fact Anthroposophical doctors prescribe weaning at the “traditional time of 40 weeks” (nine months). But that doesn't mean to me that breastfeeding has no place - it just doesn't have the primary place.
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I may be the odd one out but I like your doctors advice. And I think he/she sounds very breastfeeding friendly, but down to earth and reasonable too. Clearly what you've been doing isn't working and he/she is helping problem solve. I appreciate that much more in a HCP than someone who keep sweeping it under the rug when you as mom are worried!

I too struggle with supply and recently found out I have mild IGT and I have had EBF successes and EBF challenges and I am trying to work out what made the difference - what worked and what didn't since I am expecting another. I am slowly finding some answers!

With my first three kids, I was more traditional. I did nurse on demand, but I didn't let them snack all day. And by 9 months they were eating 3 meals a day with nursing upon waking, before naps, and before bed. They grew fine and continued to nurse for another 5-9 months until weaned, slowing giving up a feeding as time went on.

With #4 I was way more into alternative stuff and I let DS nurse whenever he wanted day or night, and delayed solids till 6 months and they played a minimal role his first year. The result? A baby that dropped from the 50th percentile at birth to the 5th by age one. Clearly the breast was not enough to sustain him! And yes, he was meeting all his milestones and looked healthy BUT he wasn't happy, he was fussy and he was not gaining weight. In hind sight I wish someone had knocked me on the head and said, "Give that child more food for crying out loud!"

I think its ok to begin the weaning process at 9 months and that is natural time to start since babies start being more mobile and less interested in lots of nursing. In fact Anthroposophical doctors prescribe weaning at the “traditional time of 40 weeks” (nine months). But that doesn't mean to me that breastfeeding has no place - it just doesn't have the primary place.
Yeah I'm kind of torn on what to do. I definitely don't want to starve her. It seems like when she started eating Cheerios for breakfast is when her weight stalled and then she started losing. I'm going to keep all the healthy fruits and vegetables and meat. She really seems to enjoy eating. She finally pooped so I'm going to give her done grapes now. I'm eating some and she's squawking.

Oh and what's IGT? Just wondering.
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Re: Supply Issues? Baby's not gaining well:(

Dropping from the 50th to 34th percentile is a bit concerning when you look at it on a growth chart but those charts can be misleading and small weight changes can equal big percentile drops. DD started off in the 58th percentile for weight and dropped down to the 3rd. I honestly think some babies just grow differently esp those that are ebf.
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I may be the odd one out but I like your doctors advice. And I think he/she sounds very breastfeeding friendly, but down to earth and reasonable too. Clearly what you've been doing isn't working and he/she is helping problem solve. I appreciate that much more in a HCP than someone who keep sweeping it under the rug when you as mom are worried!

I too struggle with supply and recently found out I have mild IGT and I have had EBF successes and EBF challenges and I am trying to work out what made the difference - what worked and what didn't since I am expecting another. I am slowly finding some answers!

With my first three kids, I was more traditional. I did nurse on demand, but I didn't let them snack all day. And by 9 months they were eating 3 meals a day with nursing upon waking, before naps, and before bed. They grew fine and continued to nurse for another 5-9 months until weaned, slowing giving up a feeding as time went on.

With #4 I was way more into alternative stuff and I let DS nurse whenever he wanted day or night, and delayed solids till 6 months and they played a minimal role his first year. The result? A baby that dropped from the 50th percentile at birth to the 5th by age one. Clearly the breast was not enough to sustain him! And yes, he was meeting all his milestones and looked healthy BUT he wasn't happy, he was fussy and he was not gaining weight. In hind sight I wish someone had knocked me on the head and said, "Give that child more food for crying out loud!"

I think its ok to begin the weaning process at 9 months and that is natural time to start since babies start being more mobile and less interested in lots of nursing. In fact Anthroposophical doctors prescribe weaning at the “traditional time of 40 weeks” (nine months). But that doesn't mean to me that breastfeeding has no place - it just doesn't have the primary place.
Rudolf Steiner knew nothing about the science of breastmilk. There is NOTHING natural about weaning an infant. Until a year BM or formula should be the main nourishment for infants.

Just a thought, but maybe remove grain, oat can be an allergy. Work on nursing and adding dense foods like avocado and coconut oil.

Also if baby is doing fine I honestly wouldn't worry about a bit of a reduction in percentiles.

Good luck! You will get through this bumpy time
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